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Theme Park Battles - Cedar Point vs. Magic Mountain









Welcome to another new series here on coasterreviews.net. The other night I was watching Spike's new show "Deadliest Warrior" (a nerd show if there was ever one) and a random thought crossed my mind. Theme park enthusiasts are always ranking coasters and parks so how do some of the parks actually stack up when compared directly with one another? I know that in the past both Cedar Point and Magic Mountain were in a race to see which park could put together the most extreme coaster line-up. Magic Mountain seemed to forfeit their bragging rights when tearing down the Psyclone and taking down Flashback. But, lo and behold, by building the new Terminator ride, they are now up to 16 total coasters which is only 1 behind Cedar Point. However, the question is this: Which park has the best line-up of coasters? This post will compare a coaster from one park with its counterpart from the other park in order to determine........Who is Deadliest!?.....no wait a minute.....I mean....Who is the most extreme!? Please keep in mind this is not an analysis of each park as flat rides, water rides, shows, food, etc are not a part of the evaluations. This post will deal only with the coaster line-up each park possesses.



Hyper/Mega Coasters - Magnum XL-200 (CP) vs. Goliath (MM). Although these coasters fit into the same general category, they are very different. Magnum is the best airtime coaster at CP while Goliath is almost totally devoid of any airtime. However, it does have the "Helix of Death" which is among the most intense elements on any coaster ever built. Despite its age, I still prefer Magnum, particularly as the final ride of the night in total darkness with no trim brakes. Plus, it has a much better view. Edge - Cedar Point.





Inverts - Raptor (CP) vs. Batman- The Ride (MM). While I love the Batman rides (there are now over a half dozen of them throughout the U.S.), Raptor is just a better coaster. It is longer, more forceful, and much more respected among enthusiasts. I like the fact that Batman does not have mid-course brakes which leads to excellent pacing, but I like Raptor better. Edge - Cedar Point.





Stand-Up Coasters - Mantis (CP) vs. Riddler's Revenge (MM). In my humble opinion, this is a simple case of a good stand-up coaster versus a bad one. Riddler's Revenge is much bigger and smoother with some unique elements while Mantis is simply an ear-banger. Edge - Magic Mountain.



Launch Coasters - Top Thrill Dragster (CP) vs. Superman: The Escape (MM). I love both of these coasters as they are both intense yet smooth. Both are themed up well and are normally among the most popular rides at each park. I give the edge to TTD simply because it is taller, faster and contains the Top Hat which is preferable to simply dropping backwards like Superman. In its defense however, Superman was the original Intamin launch coaster that ended up being a direct forebearer to rides like TTD and Kingda Ka. Edge - Cedar Point.





Big Woodie - Mean Streak (CP) vs. Colossus (MM). This took some thought as both coasters were among the biggest and best when they were orginally built and have currently come under attack from the coaster community due to deterioration. However, CP is re-tracking Mean Streak making for a much better ride while MM has simply let one of the two tracks of Colossus rot. This past February, I actually did not feel safe riding it due to the horrid condition of the track. It still offered a decent ride but I have had some outstanding Mean Streak rides despite its supposed roughness. Edge - Cedar Point.



Little Woodie - Blue Streak (CP) vs. Terminator: The Ride (MM). I love Blue Streak. It reminds me so much of the Lake WInnie Cannonball that I had so much fun on when I was smaller. We even rode it 10 consecutive times last September and had a blast. But let's be realistic. Terminator is going to be in the running for Best New Ride this year and will probably be ranked among the top woodies in the world very shortly with its twisted lay-out, on-board sound system, and tunnels filled with mist. Edge - Magic Mountain.



Inverted Boomerang Coasters - Wicked Twister (CP) vs. Deja Vu (MM). This is a very even match-up with two very similar coasters. WT starts with a launch out of the station while Deja Vu pulls you back up to a height of almost 200 feet before dropping you at a 90 degree angle. I like both coasters but prefer Deja Vu because of its immense size and initital drop. It is also a coaster that can be ridden anywhere on the train while WT is much better on either end. Edge - Magic Mountain.



Basket Rides (also known as suspended coasters) - Iron Dragon (CP) vs. Ninja (MM). Hmmmm....two oriental based rides. Both are located in the middle of their respective parks but are beautifully landscaped with trees and water. Both are very similar but the main difference is the way each coaster ends. Ninja simply stops and is pulled up a lift hill to the station. Iron Dragon dives into a mist filled helix over the pond with some pretty intense laterals. Plus everyone knows a dragon could kill a ninja. Edge - Cedar Point.



Mine Rides - Cedar Creek Mine Ride (CP) vs. Gold Rusher (MM). Now I have had some excellent rides on the CCMR particularly during Halloween when the entire ride is blanketed in mist. However, the Magic Mountain version is much faster and longer. It is also spread out on the side of the mountain making it landscaped much better. Edge - Magic Mountain.



Unique/Intense Steel Coasters - Maverick (CP) vs. Tatsu (MM). Wow! These two rides are among the best in the world and neither park has a coaster to match the other so I put them together. Tatsu is the best flying coaster on the planet with the most intense element (Pretzel Loop) that I have ever felt. It is enormous as well standing well over 125 feet tall and seeming much taller at times. Maverick won Best New Ride of 2007 with its dual launches and crazy airtime filled hills along with its steeper than vertical 1st drop. This is so close that the coaster reviews staff does not agree on which coaster is the best. Guy prefers Tatsu, but since I am writing the review, Maverick gets the edge for one simple reason....I had rather sit down than fly on my coasters. Edge - Cedar Point.



Old School steel loopers - Corkscrew (CP) vs. Revolution (MM). This is an interesting comparison. Revolution was the first coaster ever with a veritcal loop while Corkscrew was the 1st coaster ever with three inversions. Both coasters are well maintained and beautiful. Corkscrew is a Cedar Point icon with its twisted inversions directly over the midway. Revolution is also gorgeous flying through the trees and around Tatsu with a great lead up to the loop. I bet that last rise before the inversion scared people to death when this thing was first built. It's a tough call, but Revolution is much smoother now and a much more enjoyable ride. Edge - Magic Mountain.





Sit-down steel coasters - Wildcat (CP) vs. Viper (MM). This is really not even close. Wildcat is a fun little family coaster which has some pretty fast elements but Viper set the inversion record when it was first built. Inversions are not really my thing but Viper is one of the better sit-down loopers I've been on. Edge - Magic Mountain.



Family Coasters - Woodstock Express (CP) vs. Canyon Blaster (MM). I am sad to say I have ridden both...more than once. Woodstock Express is much better because it is longer and much more family friendly with its on board video cameras. Edge: Cedar Point.



Kiddie Coasters - Junior Gemini (CP) vs. Thomas the Tank Engine/Goliath Jr. - Neither park will let me ride either of these so no one gets the point. Edge - Even.



Random Match-up - Gemini (CP) vs. Scream! (MM). I had no other coasters to match these two against so they ended up against one another. It is difficult to compare an older racing coaster with the best capacity in the world that was once the tallest and fastest coaster built against a newer floorless B and M design. Nonetheless it had to be done. Despite Gemini being a fun ride and Scream being built in the middle of a parking lot (with the lines still present in under the coaster), Scream still gets the edge. Edge - Magic Mountain.



Whew! If I have counted correctly, we have now looked at 15 coasters with each park getting the edge on 7 with 1 tie. That leaves the signature coaster from each park which will be the decding vote. The final match up is:



Signature Coasters - Millennium Force (CP) vs X2 (MM). Wow. Both of these coasters currently reside in my Top 10 and each offers soemthing totally unique. If a 300 foot drop at over 90 MPH with over a mile of track is your preference take MF. If you had rather listen to an awsome soundtrack while riding a 4th dimension coaster which drops you over 200 feet at a 90 degree angle face down, then X2 is your thing. There is no wrong answer but readers of the site know that Millennium Force ranks at the top of my list, as well as # 2 in the world according to the Golden Tickets. Edge (and winner) - Cedar Point.



That was a long post but hopefully someone out there enjoyed it. One coaster that was left out was Cedar Point's Disaster Transport which did give them another slight edge when tallying the results. Both parks are great and no enthusiast can go wrong with visting either of them. Check back in a couple of weeks for more Park Battles with two family owned parks containing some of the greatest wooden roller coasters in the world matching up against one another.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have to say that I have been to both parks and MM didn't even come close. None of its coasters had any airtime, it was all about how many loops can you do. CP's rides were all longer and better designed in my opinion.

Shane Tucker said...

Thanks for the comment. I totally agree. I enjoy both parks but Cedar Point seems to have the best coasters overall as well as a better atmosphere.

Anonymous said...

Yep. On RCDB.com, the inversion breakdown tool shows SFMM with more inversions than any other park at 35. CP is seventh with 15.

SFMM coasters that invert-
B:TR(5), Deja Vu(6), Revolution(1),
RR(7), Scream!(7), Tatsu(6), Viper
(7),X2(2)

CP coasters that invert
Corkscrew,(3), Mantis(4), Maverick (2), Raptor(6)


OK, now that is over with, I will do my comparisons. Bear in mind that I have only been to CP and have only ridden the rides that are under 100 ft. Yes, I have issues, no this is not a valid comparison, and yes this post will probably be as long as Shane's

Little Woody
Blue Streak is awsome and made me find out I love airtime. From what I've heard, TS have barly any air. That, and I don't terminator.

What I think will win, Blue Streak,
"Underatted Glory"

Suspended Coasters-
Okay. Dragging Iron is a snoozer. Sure, it has a second lift, but if CP destoyed the first half, the ride would still get the same rating from.

What I think would win, Ninja
"Trimmed Warrior"

Old School Loopers-
My rating scale as of now has Blue Streak as a 10, Dragging Iron at a 5, and guess what at 1? Corkscrewed.
The loop is OK, and the bunny hop hurts my shoulders. But that is nothing compared to the corkscrews of death. Riding this is asking for a concussion.

What I think would win-Revolution
"Dirty Gem"

Sit down Steel-
I love Wildcat. I find it smooth and enjoyable. But I've heard varied opinions on Viper's smoothness.

What I think would win- Can't tell.

Mine ride.
I'll just say, probably gold rusher.

CP-1 SFMM-3 Tie-1

Of course, I'll compare ratings on Coaster Grotto

Hyper-Goliath
Invert-Raptor
Stand-up-RR
Launch-TTD
Big Wood-Colossus
Little Wood-TS
Inverted Shuttle-DV
Suspended-Ninja
Mine Rides-Gold Rusher
Unique Steel-Tatsu
Old School Loppers-Revolution
Sitting Steel-Viper
Family-Canyon Blaster
Junior-Percy's Railway
Random-Scream!
Signuture-By 0.02 points-X2

SFMM-14 CP-2

Coaster Grotto picks SFMM

By the way, I will do
Coaster Grotto Picks... for every one. Now I have 2 farewell words-
Typer's Cramp! ;)

Shane Tucker said...

Wow. That wins the award for best random post on the site......granted you don't have much competition but still. Thanks for the post. I have another park comparison coming up this weekend.

Unknown said...

This is a great review. I'm really going to try to make it out to MM as soon as I can, especially with all this six flags bankruptcy nonsense...

I'm from NY, so Great Adventure is my "home field" and I love comparing it to other parks. Last month I finally made it out to Cedar Point, had the time of my life, and wrote a comparison of the two parks, similar to this one. I'd love to hear your thoughts, so please check it out here: http://www.gordtep.com/?p=195

Thanks, and keep riding.

Shane Tucker said...

Thanks....I have a Park Battles post coming up with Great Adventure taking on King's Island.

Doswell X said...

Nice comparison of the parks great job! I like you have a passion for roller coasters. I have been to Cedar Point 4 times and plan to visit Six Flags Majic Mountain in April. From what I have seen and heard I am not going in expecting it to exceed Cedar Point, but they have a nice collection of coasters. The main coasters that I am looking for are X2, Superman, Goliath, Deja Va, Terminator and Scream, which are unique in their own way. I have had some life changes that will allow me to pursue my true passion for roller coasters and I will begin to add to my list as well. Last visit was to Six Flags Great Adventure on Halloween and it was a blast. I do have to say that I enjoy the Kinda Ka more than the Top Thrill due to the hill at the end that the Top Thrill lacks. For 2010 there will be a new Ride Warrior making a debut at Six Flags Majic Mountain for sure!

Mr. X said...

Alright......I went to Majic Mountain on May 5 and I was very pleased. I had a blast looking into the Southern California sun, gazing into the mountains and getting on each ride without a wait or a flash pass. Cedar Point is the better park of the two, but Majic Mountain in my opinion provides a better "experience" overall. The staff at both Majic Mountain and Cedar Point are very pleasant....I have to admit it seemed like the staff at Majic Mountain had something to prove though.....The difference between the two is location, alcohol policy, security (Majic Mountain has actual police officers on duty) scenery, lake vs mountains,lodging, weather, and ride types. The parks are different from one another, X2 stands out alone no Cedar Point comparison as with the Maverick which has its own unique style. Magnum XL, Millenium Force, and Goliath all can be placed into the same category with Millenium being the best out of the three. Goliath and Magnum are about a tie, and Superman is no match for the Top Thrill (Superman is an older coaster) Terminator Salvation is awesome, smoother and faster than any of Cedar Points wooden coasters and newer as well. If coasters are your thing than both parks provides something unique that can be enjoyed. It is difficult to say which is better because being at either one is a win win situation.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the comparison, but in my opinion, Six Flags didn't even come close. It seems like MM is now frantically trying to build as many coasters as possible to beat CPs record. As for the rides in the park, MM built Scream over a parking lot... I felt like I was at a fair. I haven't been to MM since Terminator was built, but I love the classic feel and airtime of blue streak. For the big woodies....they both suck. Superman CLAIMS to be 400 feet tall, but I'm not sure the riders ever break 300! Anybody who's been on both would agree Riddler beats Mantis. One thing that I found was missing at six flags was the lack of thrill rides other than roller coasters. I know this says "Coaster Reviews", but the other caption says "Theme Park Battles." :) There is NO comparison here, Cedar Point has major thrill rides like Maxair, Skyhawk, Shoot the Rapids, and Power Tower. If you want big coasters and lots of loops MM is the place for you. If you want the comprehensive theme park experience with some of the best roller coasters in the world at the 2nd oldest amusement park in the US. Pick Cedar Point. Amusement today did for best park in the WORLD for 13 years straight!! 1 more quick thing, in the 2010 Amusement Today awards, Cedar Point had three finishers in the top 10 including #1 Millennium Force. MM had none...

GauchoJoe said...

At the end of the day, both parks are very close in the coaster experience with long lines at each park. But when you leave MM you are in SoCal and the beach. You leave Cedar Point...well your in Ohio. Argument settled.

Anonymous said...

I think that six flags magic mountain is the best theme park in the world

Anonymous said...

I think that six flags magic mountain is the best theme park in the world

Anonymous said...

Yeah, magic mountain is pretty fun. Cedar point is fun too, but is sort of overrated in my opinion. That's just me however.